Prologis.

eworm · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:59 pm

What is the big issue about drivers parking on an industrial estate!! if you stop on a prologis estate, you will get clamped. and i dont mean park up, i mean stop. one of our drivers pulled out of the tesco in cov to check his notes and the clamping twat was running up the road, with chains in hand. another driver was waiting outside screwfix in stafford, 10 or 15 mins early for his booking, caught a few zzzz's in the seat and woke up to find he had been clamped. 155 quid later and he was on his way. is this just a way for the shareholders to make a bit of extra cash? Absolutely outrageous in my lowly opinion. and magna park, lutterworth, dont even get me started with those little wannabe police "security" guards........

:evil:

Chicken George · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:58 pm

Who paid the £155 clamping fee, fecked if i would.
Park up, phone the gaffer and "tell him he's got a problem".

eworm · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:09 pm

yeah, i would too, but this guy is an owner driver.

Batfastard · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:13 pm

It's going to have to be a war I think. If the roads where these clampers work are not part of the normal highway, then they do not come under normal road or insurance rights. So if you backed into their vehicle, they could not claim off your insurance and anyway, you should have been safe to reverse as it is a no parking zone , it has to be or they couldn't be their waiting to clamp you.

How about we start playing with them? Sit there pretending to be asleep and just as they start to try and clamp you move a few feet. No problem if you injure him, because he has obviously not done a proper risk assessment.
They would look better as a corpse with a tread pattern over them anyway, and on that, I am not joking.

It's getting to the point where I seriously would not stop if one was under my wheels!

CM · **Joined:** Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:41 pm **Posts:** 470

Batfastard wrote:

It's going to have to be a war I think. If the roads where these clampers work are not part of the normal highway, then they do not come under normal road or insurance rights. So if you backed into their vehicle, they could not claim off your insurance and anyway, you should have been safe to reverse as it is a no parking zone , it has to be or they couldn't be their waiting to clamp you.

How about we start playing with them? Sit there pretending to be asleep and just as they start to try and clamp you move a few feet. No problem if you injure him, because he has obviously not done a proper risk assessment.
They would look better as a corpse with a tread pattern over them anyway, and on that, I am not joking.

It's getting to the point where I seriously would not stop if one was under my wheels!

I'm with you on this one, good pair of bolt croppers in the kit bag and give them the option - the clamp or you - your choice?

thebigman · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:57 pm

if they have a disclaimer sign up stating that they are not responsable for any damage to property while u are on their land then u cut the clamp and the other pirvate company cant do a thing about it .....

Batfastard · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:20 pm

Their word against yours and NEVER EVER admit anything.

If they ever find a dead burglar at the bottom of my stairs it will have been a terrible accident (even if I have to drag him back up and push him down again a few times to finish him off) :lol:

Most people incriminate themselves.

One story, stick to it, don't elaborate and don't change it. If there is doubt, make it on their side.

Remember, these people, like vosa, are trying to extort money from you. Treat them like you would treat someone who is trying to lift your wallet, as in effect, that is exactly what they are doing.

brains · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:39 pm

Sorry for my ignorance but I didn't understand 'private' industrial estate, didn't know there was such a thing.

This Prologis is who? A private firm who own the land and lease the space/units to Tesco etc?

Could you drive back into the company yard and claim that you are being harrassed by staff hired by the land management firm and ask them to call the police? Or maybe just get out your Uzi 9mm and lay waste to the bloodsucking parasites!

Skinz · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:55 am

This a quote from Pro Logis' website...

"ProLogis is Britain’s leading developer of industrial and distribution buildings. Since 1998, we have consistently developed more than
3 million sq ft a year and won many awards, including the prestigious IAS Industrial Developer of the Year."

here's the link... http://www.prologisability.co.uk/aboutus/

I am curious as to how a tramper would stand if they were out of hours, including the "extra time" to find safe parking etc? The legal time has elapsed for moving the vehicle. The driver can argue they are too tired to drive off site. So, the wagon gets clamped because the driver is unable to move due to the drivers hours regs.

Seems to me that ProLogis are all for putting up the warehousing and general infrastructure in their parks but, not interested whatsoever in providing secure parking for the trucks that make them a living in the first place. Quite the opposite, clamping and extorting money from them instead.

As usual, profit comes well ahead of driver facilities.

endoftheroad · **Joined:** Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:47 pm **Posts:** 973

you cant blame pro logis for not wanting truckers parking on the estate I mean have you seen the rubish they leave in laybyes even when a bin is provided ? and why should pro logis provide facilites for other companys ? what about the companys that you deliver to on the site ,will they let you park in their yards overnight ? I dont do nights out anymore but if I did I would elect to stay in digs the wagon would be parked were the company wanted it parking and wouldnt be my problem untill Ide finished my breakfast , I take great care whenever I stop in a laybye or on a traiding estate where I put my feet allways on the lookout for that freshly laid cable , the stench of human turd is hard to remove from the footwell mats . If you want proper parking facilites start a campaign or something or better still elect to stay in digs untill someone takes notice in short use the laws that are there for your benifit and stop making life easy for your gaffas and the government who just dont give a single thought to the problems truckers have parking up .

Chicken George · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:52 am

The answer is:
1. If short of hours either duty or driving, refuse to deliver to the site in case you get clamped because the 'law' requires that you park up after 9,10 or 15 hours (driving and spread).

2. If you've tipped, then park up on the site you've delivered too, and take your rest there (P**** the client off), but maybe they would get a grip on The Prologis Gestapo (Clampering tw@ts).

3. Refuse too deliver to Prologis sites period.

jammymutt · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:30 pm

Its illegal to remove the clamp BUT its not illegal to remove the vehicle which has been clamped, someone done this years ago and it was found to be perfectly legal, He told the clampers where they could get their clamp if they wanted it back.

Also if you have the dog with you they cant clamp you as clamping a vehicle with animals in it is illegal.

Its illegal to clamp a vehicle showing a Disabled badge

(get over the Severn bridge for free if you have one AND IN A LORRY).

I believe it is still illegal to clamp in Scotland.

More Info here..

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/t_wheel-c ... e_land.pdf

Its about time some people sent a load of trucks on to these sites and blocked the WHOLE estate as a protest, Its a shame it will never happen though a bit like the fuel protests.

Boss · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:55 pm

It's also illegal to clamp any wheel other than the offside front........so maybe you should try parking with your offside wheels against the kerb?......hint hint.

Fixxer · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:52 pm

_BOSS_ wrote:

It's also illegal to clamp any wheel other than the offside front........so maybe you should try parking with your offside wheels against the kerb?......hint hint.

If that's true (looked on the net but can't find anything on that rule either way) then surely we can make some device that renders a clamp impossible to fit to that wheel?

Alex

endoftheroad · **Joined:** Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:47 pm **Posts:** 973

what about turds ? no ones gonna go near a wheel thats covered in poo.

jammymutt · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:54 pm

_BOSS_ wrote:

It's also illegal to clamp any wheel other than the offside front........so maybe you should try parking with your offside wheels against the kerb?......hint hint.

Ive never heard that one BUT if that is the case then its simple carry your own clamp and clamp that wheel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

BigMan · **Joined:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:53 am **Posts:** 4215

jammymutt wrote:

_BOSS_ wrote:

It's also illegal to clamp any wheel other than the offside front........so maybe you should try parking with your offside wheels against the kerb?......hint hint.

Ive never heard that one BUT if that is the case then its simple carry your own clamp and clamp that wheel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

I Have seen them at Thurrock clamping whatever wheel takes their fancy... I Am sure Mike C posted a picture of a Foreign Magnum with the NSF wheel clamped not so long ago...

Batfastard · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:42 pm

Just to add a bit more fuel.

All signs on business premises need planning permission.

Even on private property.

Boss · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:33 pm

100% sure that the clamp has to be fitted to the drivers side front wheel, this would explain a foreigners nearside wheel being clamped. I think the theory is that you will see the clamp when you get into the vehicle but you would not see it if it was on the passenger side and may set off which would damage your motor and their clamp.

Fixxer · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:23 pm

While looking up the rules and regs on the SIA site I came across this:

Quote:

Who Needs a Licence?

You need a Vehicle Immobilisers licence if you undertake any of the following activity:

1. the moving of a vehicle by any means;
2. the restriction of the movement of a vehicle by any means (including the immobilisation of a vehicle by attaching a device to it);
3. the release of a vehicle which has been so moved or restricted, where release is effected by returning the vehicle to the control of the person who was otherwise entitled to remove it, by removing any restriction on the movement of the vehicle by removing the device or by any other means; or
4. the demanding or collection of a charge as a condition of any such release of or for the removal of the device from a vehicle.

Vehicle immobiliser activity only applies to activities carried out for the purpose of preventing or inhibiting the removal of a vehicle by a person otherwise entitled to remove it.

Vehicle immobiliser activity only applies where it is proposed to impose a charge for the release of the vehicle.

Vehicle immobiliser activity applies to any activities carried out in relation to a vehicle while it is elsewhere than on a road within the meaning of the Road Traffic Act 1988.

The requirement to hold a licence when carrying out the immobilisation, restriction or removal activity as defined in the Act applies to anyone e.g. land occupiers, in-house employees, staff supplied for the purposes of or in connection with any contract to a consumer or volunteers.

There are certain exclusions mentioned within the Private Security Industry Act 2001. The Act (paragraphs 2 and 3A of Schedule 2) should be referred to for full details of when a licence is not required.

The bit I've highlighted in red...... does this mean that, if they do NOT intend to charge you for the release, anybody can clamp a vehicle without being licensed or trained?

Alex

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